You were walking through the forest, or perhaps sailing on a boat. Everything was going fine, but yet... on one dark, foggy night, you're not sure what happened, but you might have lost your way. Or perhaps the boat wasn't sailing the right way on this treacherous river. In any case, the fog prevents you from seeing clearly... you could swear it got colder.
And now, as you look upon the land again, you find that you do not know where you are. According to the maps, you should be in the Moonsea, a land of independent cities, with Zhentil Keep, home of the Black Hand, looming over them all. And yet, things seem different. The Moonsea has changed...
Posted by Brygun at 2011-10-20 15:44:58 Voted 4.00 on 12/02/09
Recently reinstalled NWN and was checking over places I used to play. Glad I left the notes here.
Its amazing the dsabrae tried to dismiss that he was part of PvP problem. It was >his< PC I was teleported to fight with >after< I refused... the refusal being after hours of gameplay I was exhausted and needed to sleep. But he, the server host, had to force the PvP against his own rules. So seeing him go on about that it supposed to brought to him... when HE did it in the first place is right on part with them.
_________________________ Pen and Paper Book Author
Gaming since 1982
(longer than many of you may have been alive)
NWN: Head DM/DM/Builder/Key PC/General PC (depending on server, time and RL)
Preferred Styles: Collaborative RPG
Dislikes: Excessive PvP, Greifers, Cheaters.
Honestly, if even if 1% of what Brygun says is true, then I would say its a disgusting situation. Glad he posted it here. I will never touch this crap. Garbage attracts flies. Who cares how good the graphics are. Thanks Brygun.
I would say i am sorry you had a bad experience Brygun though you have had a bad experience on every server i've hosted. I think what disturbs me most about your criticism is they seem to be based on how players treated one another and how a DM event was run. Since you never once brought up your concerns to any of the admin staff. I cant really speak to why your experience differed so drastically from others.
Your rating again seems based on not liking how a DM chose to run a storyline {nor speaking with the DM admin if you did feel mistreated}and how players chose to interact with one another which sadly is something that.
Our PVP rules are completely voluntary. You simply cant be PvP'd in our world without agreeing to it. Certainly if something like griefing were going on I would hope you would voice that any number of times to the admins. Cheating I cant even speak too, we include some pretty draconian anti cheat measures so players cheating is a bit of a puzzle for me to even imagine, if your implying DMs cheat I think we just have a difference in opinion on what a RPG is. While I can certainly appreciate your wanting something more "fluffy" I think its safer to say this server is not for you { as neither were the other 2 you stormed off from
Hey dsabrae
Since you have moved on why not release Deepingdale& The Moonsea that is listed under the Modules section for PW?
Would love to see what you guys did with it.
I played on the Moonsea world you hosted and didn't have any of that sort of behavior stated by the previous poster. The DM's came around asked if I needed anything and welcomed me.
It was only one night but it seemed friendly.
Posted by Brygun at 2009-12-02 14:28:21 Voted 4.00 on 12/02/09
(apparently something after "still alive" makes the comment end)
The GM refuses all our attempts to capture one including� and this is really crazy� the last guy is surrounded with no one attacking him so the GM has him run off a cliff. It was one big GM tantrum not based on the actual events.
We had a difficulty on another trip where we did get our small party of two totally killed by monsters. The death script randomly takes an item from your inventory. This time it took a very plot critical item. We asked a GM for assistance which I can understand him turning down. But�. The GM also picked up the item and logged off making it entirely impossible for us to get it when we did succeed in making our way back. Further more the amount of monsters waiting for us on that map was quadrupled. Yes.. he took off with it and left a swarm 4x the amount that already killed us. I checked in over the next few hours to see if the GM had my friends item (it wasn�t my gear that was critical) but to no avail. Still� taking it and then setting a swarm to kill us when we asked for help.
Another staff member I contacted on MSN about something. The first thing this GM types in is he wants to know when his GM-PC can*bleep* my PC. Oh my gaaaawwwdddd�. When I point out I found that offensive his response was actually �lol�.
In a prior time playing in this community I once turned down PvP with one of the staff. Under the rules you are allowed to turn it down but must leave the map. As I try to leave he keeps throwing those insults I mentioned provoking me to type something back. I then find myself repeatedly DM ported back into the PvP. Yes, he just had to have his PvP. He was having the other staff, logged in as GMs, forcibly put me back into the fight. My reason for leaving: it was well past the time I goto sleep and I had to work the next day. His reason for fighting: the previous day amid a large event he was doing that threatening I talked about, I granted him PvP, but he didn�t attack so embarrassed himself. His fight where I tried to leave was restricted to a �Hey you� single line of RP.
Realizing the situation he had done he sent me a forum PM not to mention it openly on the forum. 15 minutes later there is a long, long rant from him on the very forums he didn�t want it mentioned on.
This constant badgering and insulting to one another (it was usually aimed at others not myself) really made me feel dirty being around them. This was occurring amid almost all PCs, the staff and yet they still try to force you to play with them.
You can expect y our game play to be one heavily involved with people being jerks to one another to the point that they will either force you to a) drop to the same jerk-game or b) leave.
The community is so into mistreating each other that I felt dirty even when the hostility was aimed between two other people. I have regrets for the few good players weighed down by the those that think being online means being insulting, rude and obnoxious is �fun� for those around them.
Game code: excellent, numerous interesting features like PrC
Maps: excellent
DM Quests: when done usually excellent, though DMs known to unnecessarily/inaccurately humiliate players
Community: Rife with abuse, infighting, insults and swearing
PvP: In theory its optional however it has become common place. Threats/harassment are so frequent as to distract from gaming including occurring while a party is in a dungeon on a quest.
Vebal PvP (aka Insult Gaming): Effectively mandatory with a foolish use of the modern -day f-word.
Overall: Coding features are well done but the poor way they treat each other make continued play an exercise in frustration. I would rather being working overtime and being paid for my time. I truly find my life, and gaming, better having moved off to other activities.
_________________________ Pen and Paper Book Author
Gaming since 1982
(longer than many of you may have been alive)
NWN: Head DM/DM/Builder/Key PC/General PC (depending on server, time and RL)
Preferred Styles: Collaborative RPG
Dislikes: Excessive PvP, Greifers, Cheaters.
Posted by Brygun at 2009-12-02 14:27:12 Voted 4.00 on 12/02/09
One of these occurred when another member of our party started fighting bandits. The GM even paused the game where upon they could have done anything and everything to restore their control of the situation. Instead the GM does a public shout about how we killed them all so viciously. Now the real fact is that at that time there was about 20 of them >still alive _________________________ Pen and Paper Book Author
Gaming since 1982
(longer than many of you may have been alive)
NWN: Head DM/DM/Builder/Key PC/General PC (depending on server, time and RL)
Preferred Styles: Collaborative RPG
Dislikes: Excessive PvP, Greifers, Cheaters.
Posted by Brygun at 2009-12-02 14:24:21 Voted 4.00 on 12/02/09
At the invitation of a friend I decided to give Moonsea a try. With the server relaunch they will be updating their maps and some codes. They are keeping the same GMs, players and characters so I will focus the discussion on the community.
My own gaming background goes back to �blue box basic� in 1980s. For NWN I bought it when it first came out gaming across many worlds, GMing on at times and on one server being elected by the GMs to be the Head-GM. This opinion is based on two separate sessions of gaming with this community.
The game code and map detail are of high calibre. Also they have been running the PRC successfully giving the player new options. They operate without the CNR or ATS, neither of which I found worthwhile so this is a good thing to be bypassing. Languages for instance are working on this server.
What really surprised me is the communities attitude toward one another. Oh my gaaaaaawwwwwddddd�
every night someone is insulting someone�
the modern F--- swear word is a common thing (as if it makes their >fantasy world< gaming cool)�
frequently PCs are going on about kill other PCs. And I don�t mean that faction A is against faction B kinda thing. One was the use of the celestial language while hanging out at an inn table. Another was in the middle of a quest PC A couldn�t see a trap and hit it a couple times during the battle so PC B actually attacked him.
There is also this low brow screwing around of this one PC who for weeks is insulting and threatening to kill other PCs. Then he wants to join a DM quest line filled with the people he mistreats and tries to kill! Seriously, after going about killing you then he wants to party up with you.
In his forum rant he actually, get this, tried to justify this miserable gaming because of� Nazis and Communists. Yes, he referred to Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin as his inspiration for being an online jerk. This is just way to disgusting. I have family that fought in that war. He choose to spend his time for weeks typing insults then whining to join a party of those he mistreats because he thinks Hitler makes it okay.
It is also worth mentioning of the quality of this guy that on the night he was threatening us he was lying about being in control of monsters. He drew monsters from far off the map right onto party members. They would have been killed had I not still been on the next map (where I had to go having declined PvP from his stalking I-kill-you RP). Yeah.. he baited monsters onto people when threatening them with PvP.
DM Quests where usually well done. But it was also a mix bag. Should things go poorly the DMs do across the server shouts humiliating the players in their quest to everyone online. There is also other across the line actions by the staff.
One of these occurred when another member of our party started fighting bandits. The GM even paused the game where upon they could have done anything and everything to restore their control of the situation. Instead the GM does a public shout about how we killed them all so viciously. Now the real fact is that at that time there was about 20 of them >still alive _________________________ Pen and Paper Book Author
Gaming since 1982
(longer than many of you may have been alive)
NWN: Head DM/DM/Builder/Key PC/General PC (depending on server, time and RL)
Preferred Styles: Collaborative RPG
Dislikes: Excessive PvP, Greifers, Cheaters.
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