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PHB Movement Skills 1.02 - Balance, Climb, Jump(3E and 3.5E), Swim and Tight Space(Escape Artist)

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08-30-2003 / 11-22-2006

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Player Handbook Movement Skills 1.02

by OldManWhistler

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DESCRIPTION

This is a simple system that implements several of the 3E PHB skills that were left out of NWN. This script adds checks for Balance, Climb, Jump, Swim and Tight Space (based on Escape Artist). The implementation follows the 3E rules for the skills and the documentation includes a print out of guidelines for how to determine the Difficulty Check when adding the skill check to your module. The intent of this package is to add some additional player versus environment situations to the game.

It doesn't *really* add any new skills to the game (no hak pak), what it does is provide the builder a means to use placeables or triggers to create a transition between any two points. Whether or not a player can use the transition is based on the 3E rules governing the five movement skills. The player uses the object and if they pass a successful skill check then they can go to the destination.

This script is loosely based off of a custom script by Demetrious and a similar package by Dlaun [url=(http://nwvault.ign.com/Files/scripts/data/1052921930670.shtml).]Click Here[/url] I was not 100% happy with either system because I felt it was possible to fully implement the 3E rules, it could all be done with one generic script, and there was no need for conversations. Having the object use a conversation to control the skill would mean the transitions couldn't be used in combat.

INSTALLATION

Import phb_ms_X_XX.erf into the module. This will give you the script, a base placeable and a base trigger.

If you want to have a set of pre-built placeable and triggers to work from, then also import phb_ms_X_XX_dm.erf

CONFIGURATION

The placeables / triggers can be found in Custom 5. This documentation also appears under the comments tab of the placeable. The name of the placeable is shown to the player when they successfully pass the skill. The tag of the placeable configures how it will work. The tag has the following format: SKILL_DC_WP_DMG

SKILL: number from 1 to 7.
1 Balance
2 Climb
3 Jump (3E)
4 Swim
5 Tight Space
6 Long Jump (3.5E)
7 High Jump (3.5E)

DC: number, the difficulty check to beat. This document has guidelines for how to set the DC. In general, the higher the DC the harder it will be, the lower the DC the easier it will be.

WP: string, tag of the destination waypoint. YOU CANNOT USE underscore (_) IN THE TAG OF THE WAYPOINT! If no WP is specified, then it will look for the nearest object with the same tag (thus, waypoints are not needed if you always used matched pairs). But there is a limited distance to how far it will search, it is controlled by the MS_MAX_NO_WP_SEARCH_DISTANCE constant.

DMG: number, maximum amount of random damage to deal on critical failure. Damage dealt is between 0 to DMG-1 and is recalculated every time. If DMG is set to 0 then it means that players will never take damage on failure and will take 10 on their second try and take 20 on their third try. This means that anything with a DC of less than 20 will be successful, depending on the penalties for that player.

Failing a Balance, Climb, or Jump check by more than 5 means you take falling damage. Succeeding against a DC15 Tumble check reduces the damage. The falling damage can kill you.
Failing a Swim check by more than 5 means you take drowning damage. Drowning damage cannot kill you.
Failing a Tight Space check by more than 5 means that you damage yourself on the attempt. This damage cannot kill you.

THE SKILLS

Balance - uses DEX, affected by Armor Check Penalty and Encumbrance Penalty, +2 synergy with 5 ranks of Tumble skill.
Climb - uses STR, affected by Armor Check Penalty and Encumbrance Penalty
Jump - uses STR, affected by Armor Check Penalty and Encumbrance Penalty, +2 synergy with 5 ranks of Tumble skill, +1 skill point for every +10% movement speed from class, affected by creature size modifier.
Long Jump (3.5E) - uses STR, affected by Armor Check Penalty and Encumbrance Penalty, +2 synergy with 5 ranks of Tumble skill, +1 skill point for every +10% movement speed from class
High Jump (3.5E) - uses STR, affected by Armor Check Penalty and Encumbrance Penalty, +2 synergy with 5 ranks of Tumble skill, +1 skill point for every +10% movement speed from class, affected by creature size modifier.
Swim - uses STR, -1 skill for every 5lb of weight character has.
Tight Space - uses DEX, affected by creature size modifier, Armor Check Penalty and Encumbrance Penalty. (NOTE: this skill diverges from the PHB)

Failing a Balance, Climb, or Jump check by more than 5 means you take falling damage. Succeeding against a DC15 Tumble check reduces the damage. The falling damage can kill you.
Failing a Swim check by more than 5 means you take drowning damage. Drowning damage cannot kill you.
Failing a Tight Space check by more than 5 means that you damage yourself on the attempt. This damage cannot kill you.

Thanks to Mogney and Lazybones for some help with the design
For the 3.5 jump skills (Long Jump and High Jump) there are the following modifications compared to 3E jump:
- If you succeed by less than 5 then you land prone.
- If you fail by less than 5 then you can still succeed if you pass a DC15 reflex save.
- Halflings get +2 to jump skill.
- High jump is affected by creature size. I assume that the DCs are all based off of medium sized creatures.
- tiny creatures get a 24 point penalty to their rolls
- small creatures get a 16 point penalty to their rolls
- large creatures get a 32 point bonus to their rolls
- huge creatures get a 128 point bonus to their rolls.

FEATURES

- Includes an extensive example module and two erfs.
- 1 script, 1 trigger, 1 placeable. Does not override any NWN content or require hak paks.
- Placeable and trigger are in Custom 5 and have built-in documentation under the comment field.
- The player's ranks in the "new" skills are calculated based on if the character had put the maximum possible number of skill points into it.
- You can globally reconfigure how much of their maximum possible movement skill a player should get. Default is 75%.
- Trigger / placeable tag specifies the type of skill check, DC, destination waypoint tag and the maximum damage from Critical Failure (failure by more than 5).
- Trigger / placeable name is displayed as the description of the action.
- Automatically displays the direction between the source and the destination and makes the player face the destination.
- Displays a different animation and sound for each different skill.
- Displays a difficulty appraisal (certain, easy, average, hard, impossible) based on the roll needed to succeed so that players can decide whether or not they want to try the action.
- Damage can be specified for Critical Failure. It will apply a random value between 0 to the maximum damage specified.
- You can configure how much falling damage is reduced by a Tumble save. Default is the tumble save reduces damage to 75%.
- If a waypoint exists with the name of the destination followed by "F" then that is where the player will go when they fail.
- If no destination waypoint exists then it will search for the nearest object with the same tag within 3 tiles. This is so that skill placeables can be placed live by a DM.
- Takes 10 on the 2nd try and takes 20 on the 3rd try if there is no chance of taking damage and the player is not in combat.
DM SUPPORT

We *ALL* know that players never do what you expect them to, so this system is built in such a way that the placeables can be placed live without the need for destination waypoints so long as the destination is the nearest object with the same Tag. This is considerably easier to do live compared to rolling skill checks for each player and jumping them individually.

There is a second erf inside for DMs who want to be able to place down skills live (ie: in a soundstage module). It can also be used by builders who just want to place down checks in their modules without having to think too hard about which DC to use.

The sample erf contains only placeables. Any triggers that are placed live instantly become traps because of a bug in NWN. Also, having a large number of clickable triggers close together causes a huge amount of graphics lag (same thing happens with area transitions).

The sample erf contains 31 placeables.

Balance (looks like a Scorch Mark)
(B05) The floor looks slippery.
(B10) The floor looks slippery and inclined or uneven.
(B15) The floor looks uneven and slippery.
(B20) The floor looks uneven, slippery and inclined.

Climb (looks like a Boulder)
(C05) A knotted rope. (looks like a Pull Chain)
(C10) A surface with ledges to hold on to and stand on.
(C15) A surface with adequate handholds and foot holds.
(C20) An uneven surface with some narrow handholds and footholds.
(C25) A rough surface or an overhang / ceiling with handholds but no footholds.
(C30) A slippery rough surface.

Jump (looks like Butterflies)
(LJ05) Long jump of 5 feet.
(LJ10) Long jump of 10 feet.
(LJ15) Long jump of 15 feet.
(LJ20) Long jump of 20 feet.
(LJ25) Long jump of 25 feet.
(LJ30) Long jump of 30 feet.
(HJ04) High jump of 9 feet.
(HJ08) High jump of 10 feet.
(HJ12) High jump of 11 feet.
(HJ16) High jump of 12 feet.
(HJ20) High jump of 13 feet.
(HJ24) High jump of 14 feet.
(HJ28) High jump of 15 feet.
(HJ32) High jump of 16 feet.


Swim (looks like a Water Drip)
(S10) Calm water.
(S15) Rough water.
(S20) Stormy water.

Tight Space (looks like Stones)
(TS00) An opening.
(TS10) A small space.
(TS20) A narrow space with a chance of getting stuck.
(TS30) A tight space where your head fits but your shoulders don't.



IMPLEMENTATION NOTES

Any of the skill rules that required removing heavy armor (running jumps) or removing shields (climbing) were removed since it only serves as an annoyance to the players. If they can pass the DC with the armor check penalty from their equipment then so be it.

Since the skills aren't actually available in the NWN game engine, the player's skill ranked is faked by determining their class levels and whether or not each class would have had that skill as a class based skill. This means that players will always have the maximum possible rank in the skill. This isn't true to PnP, and it might make the DCs easier than they are intended to be. There is a scaling factor in the script that can determine what percentage of the maximum possible skill a player should have. Default is 75%.

If their first class had the skill as a class based skill then they get 4 points as base, otherwise they get 2 points. After that they get 1 point for every level as a class-skill class and 1 point for every two levels in a non-class-skill class.

// What percentage of their maximum possible Movement skill should players be given?
// Value from 0 to 100.
const int MS_MOVEMENT_SKILL_PERCENTAGE = 75;

The PHB also specifies that if a player fails a balance, climb or jump check by more then five then they take damage based on how much they fall. A successful Tumble check reduces the falling damage by 10 ft. Since the Z-axis of the game is likely different then what the Builder intends it to be, I decided that how much a Tumble check reduces the balance should be globally configurable by the builder rather than an automatic distance check that is most likely inaccurate.

// What percentage should a successful Tumble check reduce Balance / Climb / Jump damage?
// Value from 0 to 100.
const int MS_TUMBLE_SAVE_REDUCTION_PERCENTAGE = 75;


CLASS SKILLS

Each class gets the following as a class skill:

Barbarian: Climb, Jump, Swim
Bard: Balance, Climb, Escape Artist, Jump, Swim
Cleric: None
Druid: Swim
Fighter: Climb, Jump, Swim
Monk: Balance, Climb, Escape Artist, Jump, Swim
Paladin: None
Ranger: Climb, Jump, Swim
Rogue: Balance, Climb, Escape Artist, Jump, Swim
Sorcerer: None
Wizard: None

Arcane Archer: None
Assassin: Balance, Climb, Escape Artist, Jump, Swim
Blackguard: None
HarperScout: Climb, Escape Artist, Jump, Swim
Shadowdancer: Balance, Jump

APPENDIX A: PLAYER DOCUMENTATION

You may want to add the following section to the player documentation for your module or as a journal entry.

RULES: Movement (balance, climb, jump, swim, tight space)

In this module you will encounter objects that you can use to traverse obstacles using one of the five following skill: balance, climb, jump, swim or tight space. Click on the object to activate the skill. You will be given a message telling you what kind of skill it uses, an appraisal of how difficult it will be to pass, and the direction you will be heading. You automatically become better at these skills as you gain levels.

You base ability in the skill is based off of level, but certain classes are better at some skills than others:
    Barbarian excels at Climb, Jump, Swim.
    Bard excels at Balance, Climb, Jump, Swim, Tight Space.
    Druid excels at Swim.
    Fighter excels at Climb, Jump, Swim.
    Monk excels at Balance, Climb, Jump, Swim, Tight Space.
    Ranger excels at Climb, Jump, Swim.
    Rogue excels at Balance, Climb, Jump, Swim, Tight Space.
    Assassin excels at Balance, Climb, Jump, Swim, Tight Space.
    Harper Scout excels at Climb, Jump, Swim, Tight Space.
    Shadowdancer excels at Balance, Jump.

Balance improves with dexterity and has synergy with Tumble skill. To reduce penalties, try removing your armor and reducing your encumbrance if you are unable to pass the check.
Climb improves with strength. To reduce penalties, try removing your armor and reducing your encumbrance if you are unable to pass the check.
Long Jump improves with strength and has synergy with Tumble skill. To reduce penalties, try removing your armor and reducing your encumbrance if you are unable to pass the check.
High Jump improves with strength and has synergy with Tumble skill. To reduce penalties, try removing your armor and reducing your encumbrance if you are unable to pass the check. Larger creatures find it easier to high jump than smaller creatures.
Swim improves with strength. To reduce penalties, try reducing your encumbrance if you are unable to pass the check.
Tight Space improves with dexterity. To reduce penalties, try removing your armor and reducing your encumbrance if you are unable to pass the check. Smaller creatures find it easier to pass through a tight space than larger creatures.

Player Handbook Movement Skills was created by OldManWhistler and is available for download at <a target="_blank" href="http://nwvault.ign.com">Click Here</a>

CHANGELOG

1.00	2003 / 08 / 30
Initial Release
1.01	2003 / 09 / 04
- There is no spoken notification when a DM passes a movement skill check.
- Removed the 3E jump placeables / triggers, although the script still supports it.
- Added support for 3.5E long jump and high jump (since the rules make more sense)
- Added 3.5E jump placeables
- Removed the triggers from the dm_pack since you can't place them live anyways.
1.02	2003 / 09 / 28
- Added Take 20 based on recommendation from Mogney.
- Added player documentation.
- Added builder notes.

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Description

Zip has extensive example module with 2 ERFs.

- does not require hak pak or modify and NWN content.
- base is 1 script, 1 placeable, 1 trigger.
- DM erf has 31 placeables.

Read the script box for more information.

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Posted by Henesua at 2010-12-28 22:21:22 Voted 10.00 on 12/28/10

I'm changing my vote to a ten after reading your documentation. This gets a ten for the documentation alone. Great work there.
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Posted by Henesua at 2010-12-28 22:12:58 Voted 10.00 on 12/28/10

I've used this extensively at Vives, and like it. However I think it is missing a more robust framework for failure with options for transitioning the player to another location or running a custom script during failure. (I do realize the problems with adding yet another bit of data to the tag, but think it owuld be worth it)

That said you've provided a good system to work with, and to build upon. Now that I am building my own mod, I'll look into extending this system or combining it with Nsignificant's Climbing system (which provides a fall location and simulates falling damage based on distance fallen).

With regards to swimming, would be interesting to transition a player to an underwater area should they fail their swim check, and use GOG's underwater rules.

Anyway just some thoughts. Thanks for your contributions to NWN. Its good stuff.
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Posted by jdeavila at 2009-10-29 13:09:19 Voted 9.75 on 10/29/09

nice
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Posted by Deus of the Apocalypse at 2009-07-21 09:26:43 Voted 10.00 on 07/21/09

Nice work "Old Man".
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Posted by Cernunnos at 2008-12-04 11:04:42 Voted 10.00 on 12/04/08

So awesome! And -still- so helpful for a PW designer,like me, who has limited scripting knowledge!

Putting it to good use as we speak in new areas for Lost Isles of Avon-Bryn roleplay PW.

Thanks whistler!!!
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Posted by Yersch at 2004-10-18 08:08:44 Voted 9.00 on 10/18/04

Very solid, excellent work!! I experienced these in play the other night, and was VERY impressed. Jumping and climbing were very well implimented.
Keep up the excellent work!

Posted by jen at 2004-07-15 06:26:00

Another great system! Thanks, OMW! :)

Caution: In the 1.02 I have, the Generic Move Skill Placeable is set Plot, but some of the other pre-made blueprints in the ERF are not.

Posted by Khalek_D_Ariana at 2004-03-23 08:20:00

That picture does grab attention, doesn't it? :)

Will try this out :D
[Struggling to alter John Covalt's archery scripts since...not long ago...]
[struggling to implement Demangel's dragonrider system since...not long ago...]
[struggling since....birth...]

Posted by MorganQuickthrust at 2004-03-11 20:00:14 Voted 9.00 on 03/11/04

Posted by Old_Scores_Transfered at 2004-02-20 10:29:29 Voted 9.00 on 02/20/04

This is a compilation of the old system into a single score. There were 8 that made this score of 9.12 then rounded to 9.

Posted by Mikael Pajunen ( ..xxx.xxx ) at 2003-12-07 09:51:00

Whistler: I have already used this great script in Aiar A1 - Chaos and will continue to use it in the future modules of the campaign.

A great bit of scripting, easy to modify (I added some special bonuses & edited the popup messages) and work with.

Anyway, just thought I�d pop in and say thanks. Your work is appreciated.

Posted by Simon Arkle ( ..xxx.xxx ) at 2003-11-13 13:09:00

Sorry about the triple post everyone!

Posted by Simon Arkle ( ..xxx.xxx ) at 2003-11-13 13:07:00

Erm.. about my previous comment...
If anyone at all knows how to avoid it, PLEASE email me! If anyone can I'll be very grateful!

Posted by Simon Arkle ( ..xxx.xxx ) at 2003-11-13 13:07:00

Erm.. about my previous comment...
If anyone at all knows how to avoid it, PLEASE email me! If anyone can I'll be very grateful!

Posted by Simon Arkle ( ..xxx.xxx ) at 2003-11-13 13:07:00

Erm.. about my previous comment...
If anyone at all knows how to avoid it, PLEASE email me! If anyone can I'll be very grateful!

Posted by Simon Arkle ( ..xxx.xxx ) at 2003-11-13 13:03:00

For some reason, when I try an action (in the game) a script thing appears at the bottom (says something about beetles and slashing). Can you tell me how to avoid this?

Posted by Drawde ( ..xxx.xxx ) at 2003-11-09 18:45:00

THIS IS SOOOO MUCH FUN!!!!

Played your test area for 50 minutes just now: don't know why but it is SO entertaining. I jumped up and down and all around... loads of fun. Haven't been so hooked on a script since... never mind. I've never played a test area so long before.

Thanks a ton, Whistler.
Drawde

Posted by Ryel ( ..xxx.xxx ) at 2003-11-02 14:21:00

I figured it out, just change the failure portion at the end of the script to this and it should function properly. Just check to see if oPC & oFailDest are in the same area, if not it does an ActionJumptoObject(oFailDest).

//------------------------------------------------------//

// FAILURE
if ((iRank + iRoll + 5) >= iDC)
{
// Perform animations and look for a destination.
object oFailDest = MSGetDestination(sDestTag+"F", FALSE);

if ((GetIsObjectValid(oFailDest))&&(GetLocation(oFailDest))==(GetLocation(oPC))) AssignCommand(oPC, MSDoMovementAction(iSkill, oFailDest, TRUE));
// Let the player know what they rolled.
FloatingTextStringOnCreature("*"+GetStringUpperCase(sSkillName)+" FAILURE* "+sRoll, oPC, FALSE);
// Make the nearby people aware of the result. In playtesting the players liked this feature.
AssignCommand(oPC, ActionSpeakString("*FAILURE* on "+sDifficulty+" "+sSkillName));

// If oFailDest is in a different Area //

if((GetIsObjectValid(oFailDest))&&(GetLocation(oFailDest))!=(GetLocation(oPC))) AssignCommand(oPC, ActionJumpToObject(oFailDest));
else AssignCommand(oPC, MSDoFalldown());
DelayCommand(2.0, AssignCommand(oPC, MSDoFalldown()));
// Let the player know what they rolled. //
DelayCommand(3.0, FloatingTextStringOnCreature("*"+GetStringUpperCase(sSkillName)+" FAILURE* "+sRoll, oPC, FALSE));
// Make the nearby people aware of the result. In playtesting the players liked this feature.
DelayCommand(4.0, AssignCommand(oPC, ActionSpeakString("*FAILURE* on "+sDifficulty+" "+sSkillName)));

return;
}

// CRITICAL FAILURE

// Perform animations and look for a destination.
object oFailDest = MSGetDestination(sDestTag+"F", FALSE);
if ((GetIsObjectValid(oFailDest))&&(GetLocation(oFailDest))==(GetLocation(oPC))) AssignCommand(oPC, MSDoMovementAction(iSkill, oFailDest, TRUE));
// This is a critical failure so the player will take damage.
int iDmg = MSGetDamage(iSkill, iMaxDmg, oPC);
if (iDmg > 0) AssignCommand(oPC, ApplyEffectToObject(DURATION_TYPE_INSTANT, EffectDamage(iDmg, DAMAGE_TYPE_MAGICAL, DAMAGE_POWER_PLUS_FIVE), oPC));
// Let the player know what they rolled.
FloatingTextStringOnCreature("*"+GetStringUpperCase(sSkillName)+" CRITICAL FAILURE* "+sRoll+". Took "+IntToString(iDmg)+" damage.", oPC, FALSE);
// Make the nearby people aware of the result. In playtesting the players liked this feature.
AssignCommand(oPC, ActionSpeakString("*CRITICAL FAILURE* on "+sDifficulty+" "+sSkillName));

// If oFailDest is in a different Area //

if((GetIsObjectValid(oFailDest))&&(GetLocation(oFailDest))!=(GetLocation(oPC))) AssignCommand(oPC, ActionJumpToObject(oFailDest));
DelayCommand(2.0, AssignCommand(oPC, MSDoFalldown()));
// This is a critical failure so the player will take damage.
if (iDmg > 0) AssignCommand(oPC, ApplyEffectToObject(DURATION_TYPE_INSTANT, EffectDamage(iDmg, DAMAGE_TYPE_MAGICAL, DAMAGE_POWER_PLUS_FIVE), oPC));
// Let the player know what they rolled.
DelayCommand(3.0, FloatingTextStringOnCreature("*"+GetStringUpperCase(sSkillName)+" CRITICAL FAILURE* "+sRoll+". Took "+IntToString(iDmg)+" damage.", oPC, FALSE));
// Make the nearby people aware of the result. In playtesting the players liked this feature.
DelayCommand(4.0, AssignCommand(oPC, ActionSpeakString("*CRITICAL FAILURE* on "+sDifficulty+" "+sSkillName)));
return;
}

//------------------------------------------------------//

Posted by Ryel ( ..xxx.xxx ) at 2003-11-01 18:19:00

Hello!

Nice script. I ran into one complication and am trying to find a workaround. I was trying to make a jump over a canyon and have the fail waypoints in a seperate area so if the person fails the jump, they would fall into the canyon and take appropriate damage. Only problem is that on failure, it gives the fail message and I believe tried to do the animation and froze the game. I don't think it's inter-area friendly. Is there an easy way around this?

Thanks!

Posted by whistler ( ..xxx.xxx ) at 2003-10-13 13:39:00

Thanks Nissa, in the immortal words of Talking Barbie: "Math is hard". :)

Posted by Nissa_Red ( ..xxx.xxx ) at 2003-10-13 05:14:00

I just wanted to confirm what Lareal said :

> He noticed that when you performed the high jump (I have
> a series of them) the east-west coordinates are messed
> up. So...when you are actually heading east, you get a
> west message, and vice versa.

Since I am also an adept of your scripts, I corrected it in my module :

string MSGetAngleBetween(object oDestination, object oPC)
{
float fAngle = VectorToAngle(GetPosition(oDestination) - GetPosition(oPC));
AssignCommand(oPC, SetFacing(fAngle));

switch ( FloatToInt( fAngle / 22.5 ))
{
case 0: return "East";
case 1:
case 2: return "North east";
case 3:
case 4: return "North";
case 5:
case 6: return "North west";
case 7:
case 8: return "West";
case 9:
case 10: return "South west";
case 11:
case 12: return "South";
case 13:
case 14: return "South east";
case 15: return "East";
}
return "";
}

Please keep up the good work, and thank you for the script =)

Posted by whistler ( ..xxx.xxx ) at 2003-10-12 21:32:00

High praise indeed :)

Thanks for noting this behaviour. I'll see how much of it I can reproduce and fix.

Posted by Danmar ( ..xxx.xxx ) at 2003-10-12 14:59:00

I'm not sure that it would actually. I had a hell of a time trying to jump some players. The scenario was a high power mage catches up to them and knocks them out and then while they're laying on the ground guards come and haul them off to a prison cell.

Because neither actionjump or straight jump would work while they were prone, sitting, kneeling, meditating, in the end I cast blindness and paralysis after the initial knockdown effect on them, sent them textual descriptions every 5 seconds or so telling them what was happening. Then timing it just so, I did a jumptoobject .5 second after the para and knockdown wore off and they'd stood up again. It was the only way I could get them accept the jump command. It was almost as if the act of standing up/the anim loop ending cleared their action queue and on top of that neither jump command worked if they weren't standing.

I can almost swear I've jumped knocked down players in the past so this might be new behavious with a patch post 1.29.

Oh another thing that's odd. The on enter event doesn't seem to trigger after doing a animation appear and fall down.

I have a couple of jumps that trigger a custom spawn system on the encounter and they never trigger until the player moves after entering the trigger area using the appear animation and fall down. If they don't fall down then the event fires.

Just quirky. :)

Very nice system if I didn't say so before. I'm using several other of your systems, mostly frankensteined into my own stuff but this one went it untouched which is unheard of in the LOK campaign in regards to imported materials. :)

Posted by whistler ( ..xxx.xxx ) at 2003-10-11 19:46:00

Thanks Danmar. I wonder if replacing ActionJump with a straigh t Jump would fix that as well. I've noticed that ActionJump isn't nearly as reliable as Jump.

Posted by Danmar ( ..xxx.xxx ) at 2003-10-11 14:20:00

I ran into an odd snag with using the F waypoints. Basically it just wouldn't do the jump to object but would rather play the animation (I was testing Climb) and then fall down where the character was standing when they used the object. Debug statements I added assured me it was finding the failure waypoint but it simply wasn't doing the jump. Now a couple weeks ago I noticed when I was writing a long scripted sequence to knockout and capture some players that its impossible to jump a character thats not standing up. lying prone, kneeling etc cause the jumptoobject to fail. i.e. if its in any animation loop at all it will simply not jumptoobject. I don't know if its a new 'feature' or was always this way.

I modified the playanimation lines for the various failure moves that have them like so:

PlayAnimation(ANIMATION_FIREFORGET_DODGE_SIDE,1.0,0.75);

i.e. setting them to play for 3/4 of a second, the delay on the actionjump is at 1.0 seconds.

And voila they work for me.

It 'appears' that the animations were slightly overlapping into the actionjumptoobject command even though its an action statement and in theory should follow the animation and was causing it to break because of the aforementioned bug.

The successful movement rolls worked fine because there was no animation being played.

I don't know if this affects many or any others but thought you might want to know about it.

Posted by whistler ( ..xxx.xxx ) at 2003-10-09 07:39:00

That's kind of.. weird. Can you do me a favour and check to see if you get similiar results with the other skills?

All of the skills should use the same code for the direction stuff, so they should either all have that bug, or none of them should have that bug.

Posted by lareal ( ..xxx.xxx ) at 2003-10-09 04:09:00

I have a question. I am using this for my module, and love it to death! :)

With that said, one of my beta testers noticed something, and either it is a scripting thing, or I am doing something wrong. Either way, I tried looking at your script, but It's all gibberish to me (way out of my league atm).

He noticed that when you performed the high jump (I have a series of them) the east-west coordinates are messed up. So...when you are actually heading east, you get a west message, and vice versa.

I checked it, and noticed the north-south message was right on the dot, so I'm confused. Any suggestions?

Posted by Richard Cranium ( ..xxx.xxx ) at 2003-10-01 15:45:00

Heh, so I guess the question would be: where does the corpse end up? Perhaps you could design a way to have it randomly wash up on some shore? Even in a different zone? That would be funny.

I know some people bury placeables, is it feasible to fake an animation by submerging a player in water and inching him along for the swim? It�s probably more trouble than it�s worth, but it would be interesting to play with.

Also, when can we expect a malicious �silo full of grain� trap from you? =P

Posted by whistler ( ..xxx.xxx ) at 2003-10-01 13:50:00

Richard, no offense taken. I agree that people die from drowning all the time in real life. :) And it turns out that you're right, I misread the 3E rules and got the subdual fatigue damage confused with damage from drowning.

I'm really not sure how to implement drowning though without conflicting with existing death systems. One of the disadvantages to this system is that it is really just transitions from A to B... there is no per round check. And even then, there would be no mechanism for other party members to save a drowning player.

I'll consider adding another Swim skill that more closely follows the 3E rules by using the max damage field as the number of rounds of successful swiming it would take to cross the transition.

From the 3E rules on Swim Skill:

Check: A successful Swim check allows the character to swim one-quarter of the character's speed as a move-equivalent action or one-half the character's speed as a full-round action. Roll once per round. If the character fails, the character makes no progress through the water. If the character fails by 5 or more, the character goes underwater and starts to drown.

If the character is underwater (whether drowning or swimming underwater intentionally), the character suffers a cumulative -1 penalty to the character's Swim check for each consecutive round the character has been underwater.

Each hour that the character swims, make a Swim check against DC 20 or take 1d6 points of subdual damage from fatigue.

From the 3E rules on Drowning (Environment section):

Any character can hold her breath for a number of rounds equal to twice her Constitution score. After this period of time, the character must make a Constitution check (DC 10) every round in order to continue holding her breath. Each round, the DC increases by 1.

When the character finally fails her Constitution check, she begins to drown. In the first round, she falls unconscious (0 hp). In the following round, she drops to -1 hit points and is dying. In the third round, she dies.

It is possible to drown in substances other than water, such as sand, quicksand, fine dust, and silos full of grain.

Posted by Richard Cranium ( ..xxx.xxx ) at 2003-10-01 13:13:00

Whistler,

This looks very promising. I can�t wait to give it a whirl. Just a question for you, so please don�t take this as a flame because it�s not: what was your determination for making drowning damage non-lethal? I saw in one post you mentioned that E3 rules determined that one couldn�t die from drowning. I can respect your remaining true to a system, or that the game engine design may make it very difficult to implement death via drowning. I just have to point out that people die from drowning all the time. With a background in lifeguarding I can�t help but see that as ridiculously asinine. It takes a great deal of technology to make people amphibious. =P

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